We talked with economist László Bogár about the real causes and possible consequences of the war, the media-created realities, imperial intentions, and why HírTv broadcast Ferenc Gyurcsány's annual review. Interview by Szilvia Polgári.
When I was preparing for this conversation, the question whether you see a chance for national cooperation was also on my list. But that was even before Ferenc Gyurcsány's speech, and today, after the speech, let's face it, it would sound quite corny. I have to ask, however, why do you think HírTv broadcast this ominous annual review?
I'll start a little further. The systems of the regime change were based on German-Russian cooperation, which now seems to be collapsing, and the blowing up of the gas pipeline symbolically indicated this. The force that actually controls the world destroyed the cooperation of the two fundamental pillars, thereby collapsing all the systems of the era and the intermediate Europe. Of course, no one needs to know about this, and it cannot be detected directly in the countries where globalist governments rule - as a sign of "it doesn't matter which imperial seat we lick", but the stakes here are huge.
How do we get from here to Gyurcsány being broadcast by HírTv?
Without the media complex, we cannot interpret reality, let's face it, we all get our information from there, which is why we are so vulnerable - because we don't see reality, but only one of the media's stories about reality. I think, quite rightly, that HírTv aired it because Ferenc Gyurcsány is one of the most decisive pillars of Fidesz's long-term rule. Not only from the speech at Öszöd, but from the beginning. We could even say that the most professionally structured agent of Fidesz is none other than Ferenc Gyurcsány. As you know, despite his intention and will, in fact every feeling, thought, spoken or written word clearly guarantees the long-term rule of Fidesz.
Without the Ószöd speech, Fidesz would hardly have reached two-thirds.
Obviously, Gyurcsány wants the exact opposite, and let's be honest, historically the chance of him being the big consolidator could not have been completely ruled out. He didn't miss much. We still don't know what actually happened about the Öszöd speech. And I realize that it smells like a conspiracy theory, but after the post-Yalta order, i.e. the German-Russian cooperation, was destroyed by the power that dominates the world, who governs in these intermediate countries, I don't think it will be decided locally.
And Ferenc Gyurcsány was dropped. It was pronounced in the same way as Népszabadság or the original Index.
Although Népszabadság or the original Index were extremely important to very serious global forces, but you see, that was it, they dropped it. It is difficult to talk about this because it is disappointing to many that, although the knowledge, courage and determination of the Hungarian national wing have a role, the decision is not theirs, but that of German big capital, which has already been brutally disciplined four times. And today, the non-existent masters of the world do not allow him the little that was formed in the last thirty-odd years, during the post-Yalta era. So, German big capital does not dare to step into the light today, which is why Viktor Orbán and Fidesz's inexplicably long rule, elected with a strong majority, and the existence of this system is solely due to the fact that German big capital, as the founder of Europe's long-term and successful future , speaks through Orbán's voice.
Is the Hungarian Prime Minister a kind of avatar?
In a sense, he is the embodiment of something that can only surface through him. Because German capital is not only an economic, financial and technological structure, but also the thousand-year-old German culture and history. Globlogazdi banned this after 1945, which is why this "detour" is needed.
Orbán's narrative, which is also absolutely unique in Europe regarding the war, is possible because he really is an avatar.
Let's remember his recent speech in Tusványós, where he predicted that if the German-Russian cooperation is destroyed, Hungary will have a small Germany. The two factors that laid the foundation for post-Yalta can be synthesized here: German knowledge and technology on the one hand, and Russian energy and raw materials on the other. And the trust that was guaranteed in the person of Merkel and Putin. But Merkel's eavesdropping also indicated that the empire was not happy with this budding relationship, just as it was not happy with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact back then. Even then, the German and Russian elites realized why they should kill each other if they could trade peacefully instead.
Will the non-existent world power allow Hungary to become a prosperous paradise?
This is the biggest question. It is not yet possible to decide, there are many signs that they want to destroy this last construction and contact surface as well. Of course, Hungary on its own would not be so risky, they are rather afraid, as Spiegel described, that Orbán will become the anti-emperor of Europe through this cooperation.
Who is the emperor?
The German big capital of all time, Germany is just now in a condition like a differential before its final test of strength. The foreign minister's two statements also point to this; in one he said that he was blowing the whistle on the German voters, and in the other he declared that they were at war with Russia. And it is quite telling that the chancellor did not deny all of this immediately, directly. However, in a normal country, if a foreign minister declares war without first consulting his chief of staff, it would be out of place. The chancellor's statements that have since come to light, however, reveal that he is trapped and that Germany still has the task of preventing a world war.
The emperor is, in principle, the German ruling structure, but these elites are now facing the ultimate test, and the fight seems to be incomparable, which is a real royal drama.
Shakespeare could depict the tension that is unfolding within the German elites, and it is bad news for us that those who are on the side of peace and normality can barely make their voices heard, while the supporters of war can shout their false narrative through megaphones.
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Today it can be said that a proxy war is taking place in Ukraine, which the USA is fighting with the Russians on Ukrainian territory. What does the United States really want?
Today, America is not only economically dependent on China, but on the whole world. The best example of this is looking at how your debt is growing. Its total national wealth is $180 trillion, so if America were to be auctioned off, it would be worth about that much. The national debt on top of this is only 32 thousand billion dollars, and we could rest easy here, but the so-called unfounded claims amount to 181 thousand billion dollars. And this includes not only the indebtedness of all economic factors, but also the achievement of large pension systems and social security systems. And these promises cannot be fulfilled due to the terrible internal debt. The point is that the claims and long-term indebtedness are already 1,000 billion dollars more than the total national assets.
In other words, the American empire only exists virtually, because if everything were to be sold at market price, there would still be 1,000 billion dollars left to repay. This is the real reason for the war.
And the masters of the empire know that if this falls on America, and through it on the whole world, then everything will fall into ruin, destruction equivalent to a nuclear war will occur. Of course, it can also be understood - this is one of the logics - that the war broke out and inflation came as a result of the sanctions. I, on the other hand, would turn it around and say that the main goal of the masters of the world was inflation, which is why they spread and burdened the debt on the innocent part of the world in this respect, including the Hungarians. Inflation, on the other hand, had to be justified, and that was the purpose of the sanctions, which could only be achieved through war.
What do you think of George Friedman's vision outlined in Storm Before the Calm About the crisis of American institutions and society, about cycle turns, and about the new cycle dated to the 2030s?
Friedman's analogy refers to Rome during the imperial period, which was already a product of decay, but his logic is correct, he also says that there is socio-economic reproduction, which is increasingly complex, and there is also a network of institutions that must control the complex system . The consequence of every imperial crisis is that although the imperial elites created the socio-economic model, after a while problems of complexity always appeared. Empires usually fall when the elites no longer find an adequate organizational-institutional framework to keep under their control the complexity that they started to build, they just lost control over it.
This is also noted by Fridman as a problem.
Very correctly. The problem with information technology, i.e. the creation of artificial reality, including the singularity, is that within a few decades, 9 million people will be able to supply 9 billion people with production systems based on global artificial intelligence.
And the ominous, most serious question arises, what is the need for 9 billion people?
Social, economic, and financial technology is not a machine, but an intellectual energy that has become uncontrollable and has run out of the hands of the global power system.
That's why we need chaos now. And war is nothing but the breaking down of complexity.
Typically, the system known until the outbreak of the war was built up in 60 years, but the world powers destroyed this structure with sanctions in 6 months, because it was unable to cope with the complexity. However, we do not see exactly what the empire wants, how long it wants to tear the world apart.
According to them, can we say that the war is an existential issue not only for the Russians, but also for the USA?
Yes, to the extent that America must avoid collapse, and it can only do so through war, which will spread its own debt. With the exception of China, Japan, and Switzerland, the other countries are not in a position to be serious financiers of the empire. And the German capital was still able to detonate the corruption scandal, which is already unpleasant for the European Commission, on the European Parliament, the most brutal spearhead of the American empire. And three problems were solved right away, Mrs. Ursula was cleared of her own corruption case, the Pfizer case, the Commission was freed from the brutal pressure of the EP, and the money could also be paid to Hungary, the "last platform", which was obviously for German big capital required.
Look, there are more and more signs that war is counterproductive.
The Russians do not surrender, despite such hopes, but in a year it became clear that the embeddedness of this ruling structure in Russian society is much more stable than they assumed.
If it is true that there was an American initiative for any kind of peace proposal, then it supports this.
It is often said that the aggressor, the initiator of the war, is Russia. I ask without judgment, could he have done anything else, without embarking on the path of complete self-surrender? You said recently that Russia allowed itself to be provoked. How not ?
Unfortunately, it seems to be increasingly clear - Merkel and Macron have already spoken - that
the Minsk Agreements were only a tool for imperial delay, so it can truly be said that Russia had no other choice.
And this is true even if he also loses, and he is clearly in a worse position, so he pays the price for being forced to start a war.
Can we say that he chose the lesser of two evils?
There is a chance that it will turn out. But a war is unfortunately a chaotic swirling system, anything can happen, so we can only say for sure if there is a ceasefire and peace negotiations are underway. We do not yet know the final bill.
An incredible amount of weapons have entered Ukraine, and our region is not idle either. Even if a ceasefire comes, a frustrated country with still unknown borders will remain here next door, armed to the teeth. Can this ensure long-term peace or just the opposite?
I also feel that this is a protracted crisis. And it is extremely dangerous if Europe's biggest army will be here, in a country that is unpredictable and frustrated in every way, in a ruling structure in which the descendants of the Jews killed in Babi Yar and those who killed them are cheerfully cooperating.
If there is an unstable system, then this is at its best, and only the imperial interest keeps them together.
Does it matter what the European – or American, Ukrainian, Russian – population thinks or says?
Basically no, but somewhere. It's a strange paradox, and I'm contradicting myself a bit, but the world is still built on spiritual energies. It should be thought of as an invisible elastic web that can be stretched but snaps back at a critical point. And if the empire wants to avoid destruction, because a very complex system can collapse incredibly quickly, then it has to pay attention to that as well. I feel that we are now approaching the point where the lords of the realm must acknowledge the invisible resistance that comes from the spiritual energies of a portion of the population.
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